I dont believe it
I dont believe it
Just happily browsing through the September issue of Classic boat only to nearly choke on my cuppa. Under the class notes section is an article on the l**er. So now the boat has been recognised as a classic.....
"Arguably one of the best examples of a modern classic ever launched"
May be its time to recognise the Ford Mondeo as a classic car as well then.
Just my oppinion..
"Arguably one of the best examples of a modern classic ever launched"
May be its time to recognise the Ford Mondeo as a classic car as well then.
Just my oppinion..
Hornet 191 Shoestring,
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
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sounds like the bottom of a barrel being scraped.
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1971... I'm guessing that there are plenty of cars of that era regarded as classics? Isn't that MK1 Escort sort of era?
The cvrda is 12 years old, and took 1965 as it's reference date - that makes the Laser 6 years older than the boats we allowed in 12 years ago...
Just to give another view point!
The cvrda is 12 years old, and took 1965 as it's reference date - that makes the Laser 6 years older than the boats we allowed in 12 years ago...
Just to give another view point!
Rupert
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I spent a couple of days teaching in (and therefore sailing) lasers the other week. I find it hard to accept an argument that they are a _bad_ boat, as they are so responsive to everything the helm does. They are very good for teaching race boat helming skills!
So all of the above is just banter really with no offence meant to anyone who thnks a L**er is a bad boat - but one can have different opinions and live together in the same club.
Phantom as a simmilar example - old wood ones I feel should fit into the cvrda ethos - they can's be made to perform with the new class boats. But old lasers can. Not a basis for a rule though - old Firflies can sail with the modern class and win!. We do have the discretion to allow or disallow individual classes. Maybe we should think about the moving age system - as lots and lots of modern boats (classic or not) are going to end up eligible any time now, and in some of those classes, age is not a determinant of maximum performance.
So all of the above is just banter really with no offence meant to anyone who thnks a L**er is a bad boat - but one can have different opinions and live together in the same club.
Phantom as a simmilar example - old wood ones I feel should fit into the cvrda ethos - they can's be made to perform with the new class boats. But old lasers can. Not a basis for a rule though - old Firflies can sail with the modern class and win!. We do have the discretion to allow or disallow individual classes. Maybe we should think about the moving age system - as lots and lots of modern boats (classic or not) are going to end up eligible any time now, and in some of those classes, age is not a determinant of maximum performance.
j./
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
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Usually we have this debate during winter when there's no sailing and it's too cold to varnish
It's been discussed many times, and would require a change to the constitution.
It's been discussed many times, and would require a change to the constitution.
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Lets discuss it again in 4 months... meanwhile, lets go by the thread's title and expand on things a bit... I don't believe the price of hiring portaloos - one quote I had for 2 loos for 4 days was £170 + VAT... Rapid Hire came in cheaper at £90 +VAT - anyone know of cheaper?
Rupert
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I don't know, things have been a bit dull lateley!!
At the risk of re-introducing this forum to the delights of song and dance!
At the risk of re-introducing this forum to the delights of song and dance!
Michael Brigg
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I am not saying the Laser is a bad boat. I have sailed them many times and enjoyed myself. My point is that you can hardly call it a classic and my gripe with CB is that they have given a whole page to a class that is debateably classic when they could barely give 70 words to the Bosham event which was very definitly classic.
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Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
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But maybe they will sell a shed load of mags to Laser sailors who wouldn't otherwise have bought it, and maybe some of those will be inspired to take on a more conventionally classic boat...roger wrote:with CB is that they have given a whole page to a class that is debateably classic when they could barely give 70 words to the Bosham event which was very definitly classic.
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It's not the Laser itself I find objectionable, they can be a fun toy. It's just the totally self-focused attitude of many who sail them which gives the class a bad name. Lasers caused all the accidents I've seen on the water by ignoring rules and assuming everyone will get out of their way.
Look around the club next time and see who has parked their boat or car in the way or spread their mast and sails across the only path between your boat and the slipway or......
Look around the club next time and see who has parked their boat or car in the way or spread their mast and sails across the only path between your boat and the slipway or......
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So, we should be bashing Yachting Magazines, not the Laser?
I find Classic Boat to be imperfect (ie, it contains some things which I find to be less than interesting), but it has to be said that out of date race write ups, even of something as interesting to be at as Bosham, are fairly tedious to read, and something for which the internet is far better suited. Love reading about and looking at pictures of boats where a broken fitting will cost more to fix than my who fleet cost to buy! I read in one copy (I assume in the same section the Laser was in) a nice (if possibly slightly inaccurate) history of the Cherub, and I think they do a different dinghy every month. Better than no dinghies at all in a yacht focused publication. I've not seen the Laser article, but while it may not be a Classic in the cvrda constitution's sense (and I for one am happy about that) it is a classic piece of design & engineering.
Reading PBO at Clywedog, it struck me that it is far closer to the cvrda way of looking at things than either Y&Y or Classic Boat. A good (practical) article about the pros and cons of Folkboat lookalikes, for instance. Anyone know anyone at PBO? Can see a nice comparitive classic boat test - what would we put up against each other for comparison? Peggie V's Mirror 14 V's sliding seat Hornet? Minisail V's Pisces V's Beachcomber?
I find Classic Boat to be imperfect (ie, it contains some things which I find to be less than interesting), but it has to be said that out of date race write ups, even of something as interesting to be at as Bosham, are fairly tedious to read, and something for which the internet is far better suited. Love reading about and looking at pictures of boats where a broken fitting will cost more to fix than my who fleet cost to buy! I read in one copy (I assume in the same section the Laser was in) a nice (if possibly slightly inaccurate) history of the Cherub, and I think they do a different dinghy every month. Better than no dinghies at all in a yacht focused publication. I've not seen the Laser article, but while it may not be a Classic in the cvrda constitution's sense (and I for one am happy about that) it is a classic piece of design & engineering.
Reading PBO at Clywedog, it struck me that it is far closer to the cvrda way of looking at things than either Y&Y or Classic Boat. A good (practical) article about the pros and cons of Folkboat lookalikes, for instance. Anyone know anyone at PBO? Can see a nice comparitive classic boat test - what would we put up against each other for comparison? Peggie V's Mirror 14 V's sliding seat Hornet? Minisail V's Pisces V's Beachcomber?
Rupert
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Isn't it about laziness? The Classic Boat class guides I've seen always seem very 'light' with very little in the way of research or insights. Therefore it makes sense to do the Laser rather than go out and find a more difficult but more deserving boat to write about.
PeterV
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Warsash
Finn K197 & GBR564
Warsash
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I have to admit that I used to own a Laser. I bought it for winter 'fun', though at 16 stone I found it the most boring boat I've ever owned. But, and I begrudge saying this, it did have a higher purpose - to get Anne sailing (with a 4.7 rig) while I gave instruction from the Spearhead (not designed for singlehanding, *splash*). She liked the sailing, but hated the Laser, so we bought a Tideway - more fun but slightly slower.
I do also admit to being biased against Laser parents, as at one open meeting at Roadford a few years ago I turned up, found the cover off my boat and some parents helping themselves to the mast sections. They wanted to 'borrow' them as Jocasta/Toby/idiot child has just broken theirs and it was apparently fair game to 'borrow from any Laser, old chap. We all do it'.
They have never come back.
I do also admit to being biased against Laser parents, as at one open meeting at Roadford a few years ago I turned up, found the cover off my boat and some parents helping themselves to the mast sections. They wanted to 'borrow' them as Jocasta/Toby/idiot child has just broken theirs and it was apparently fair game to 'borrow from any Laser, old chap. We all do it'.
They have never come back.
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I don't believe it!Rupert wrote:Lets discuss it again in 4 months... meanwhile, lets go by the thread's title and expand on things a bit... I don't believe the price of hiring portaloos - one quote I had for 2 loos for 4 days was £170 + VAT... Rapid Hire came in cheaper at £90 +VAT - anyone know of cheaper?
Camping at Whitefriars for the National rallies and it looks as though Rupert is promising us Canvas tents and a wooden trestle, over a 3' pit full of blue smelly liquid!
Ahh happy days!!
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perhaps there is a suitable arrangement of Laser* parts that could be made use of, thereby saving the cost of portaloos, barbeques, and field showers. We could discuss such utilitarian uses of those flat slabs of GRP over a beer or two at the rally.
j./
j./
j./
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.