Name THIS boat then!!!!!!!!

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:32 pm

Okay guys..........................

Here it is!

If you cut over to my website at Bearfacemedia, then follow the pages to
'What is it' you'll find some pictures of a very pretty little singlehander.

Any takers on what it might be?

One clue.... there could be a Northern Ireland connection.

I'd be glad to have any thoughts though as right now I'm stumped

D

Post by **neil** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:35 pm

It's difficult to gauge the size......but from the rig and that if it was built in County Down - would it be a Mark?

It would need to be 12' long, 4ft 9" beam

Post by **neil** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:40 pm

forgot to say.....

page 18, Sailing Craft by Edward Delmar Morgan and Peter Roberts.

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:53 pm

Neil,

wow - impressed or..... impressed. I didn't get that one at all.

But you're right:Hollywood, County Down is spot on!

I don't have the EDM book - what else do they say about the Mark?
Is there a designer listed?
A year?

\And the $64,000 question - has anyone any other detail on it?

D

Alan P. · Post by **Alan P.** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:45 am

Designers Moretons Yacht Suppliers Ltd
Intended for amateur build from kit or available in grp.
Centre main.
Unstayed ,rotating mast.
PY 103
12ft. Beam 4' 9"
Sail area 80 sq ft and is red.

All above from Pery Blandford's "Sailing Dinghies of the World" which I guess includes Northern Ireland
Recall one for sail at Emsworth some 10 years ago or so.

Post by **Rupert** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:51 am

There is quite a lot of detail in the 1964 Hippo book of sailing craft. (the one that Neil mentions). It was designed as a Finn trainer, and as such I guess would have faced stiff compitition from the OK. Designed in 1963, and within a year had built 150 boats.
In the end, I would guess the Laser did for it...

Garry R · Post by **Garry R** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:20 pm

Just love the cold moulded floor and Epiphanes finish!!! In passing, Northern ireland is part of the world having lived there for 14years 1960 - 1974. My dad and I said at the Quoile Yacht Club and at Whterock (Strangford Lough YC) in an Enterprise 7542 which he built. It went to Ballyholme YC after he sold it and as that is in Hollywood the Mark and it may have known each other!! He also built a couple of Cadets for people which went to Ballyholme.

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:44 pm

Hi Gary,

Then you might know Grant Anderson - he used to sail Mirror 14s there and at Donagadee (sorry if I got the spelling wrong).

I'm going over to NI in a fortnights time to see another classic boat, are there any Marks left around there that I could go and photograph/document?

D

Garry R · Post by **Garry R** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:58 pm

Never actually sailed at Ballyholme and it was a long time ago. I sailed until 1963/4 then had a break of 40years!! But I am back now and collecting boats on an annual basis it seems.

Post by **neil** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:55 pm

Here's the full details of the MARK

nick · Post by **nick** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:21 pm

The Mark got a good write-up in the Dinghy Year Book as well - 1963. Not sure if it's the same place. but Mortons are shown there as having been in Howard Street, Belfast. Wonder if they are still going ? Anyone know ?

Regards

Nick

davidh · Post by **davidh** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:26 pm

All these questions are relating to a boat that has turned up out in the USA.

The owner has the original Collar mast, but the gooseneck is formed by a mortice/Tenon type arrangement.

Wasn't this common with the early OKs too?

D

Post by **Rupert** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:59 pm

And Finns. Always seemed an interesting way of doing things, putting a great big hole in the mast at a stress point...Anyone on here ever use one?

Post by Ed » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:40 am

A Mark......or a wooden mast with a damn great hole in middle?

If the later. Peter Vinton's Finn has a Bruder mast which has this mast arrangement. Seems to have survived so far.

When I had it, I varnished it only to find that I got cracks along joins of laminate along front of mast for a metre or so. Was talking to someone of this as worried that it might be failing, to be told that there was quite a bit that was intentionally left unglued to allow mast to move a bit better.

Very nice mast though. I do wonder how many of those are left.

cheers

eib

PeterV · Post by **PeterV** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:37 pm

All the early Finn, OK, Moth masts were similar. It's why there's usually a piece of mahogony or similar in that area to take the load. Although it's a high load area, they usually break a little higher up where the section decreases in size. Bruder started attaching the boom to the back of the mast in the late 60's in a similar fashion to the alloy masts, Boyce masts also had a fitting for the boom but these were also later masts. All the Collar masts I've seen had the boom slotted through