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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Hawk » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:32 am

Hi Again,

This is just a followup to thank you all very much for chasing up the information for me. When I first posted on this forum I had very little information regarding this class. I have since been sent scans from several different boat identification books from the era of the boat. One of these, ("Beginning in Dinghies" by John Fisher Pub by Adlard Coles (as Bosun Books No.1) 1962 revised edition. No ISBN.) indicates that the design was launched simultaneously in Britain and France, but refers to it as the Yachting World "Vagabond". It's also nice to have a few more photos (scans) of boats for reference. I've yet to see one of these boats rigged, so it's going to be like a jigsaw puzzle for me to put all the pieces back in the correct places.

I also found reference to a Vagabond being restored on a French forum. Thank goodness for Google translations.

I've been considering updating the Wikipedia entry for the Vagabond with the information that I've been given, but finishing my boat is the highest priority. :wink:

Cheers,
Hawk.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Pat » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:00 pm

When we eventually get the dinghy database converted to include a wiki for each class you can update it on here too.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Penndennis » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:30 pm

Just spotted this, so you probably have all the answers you want.

My family owned VA413 from new in the early sixties. A very good training boat, and well able to race to her handicap on the lochs of Scotland. My father strengthened the transom to take a small outboard and we trailed and camped widely. I think, although I cannot be sure, that he also modified the spar fittings slightly, adding a track and swivel for the gaff, rather than depending on the jaws. Because of the lightweight centreboard it wasn't particularly stiff in a breeze, but we used to reef by rolling the sail bag up in the main, to give us a reduced main and a makeshift kicking strap.

The family only got rid of it a few years ago, still in working order. By coincidence we also owned a small pram dinghy, a Gremlin, which when turned upside down fitted exactly inside the Vagabond, making trailing easy.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Keith66 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:07 pm

I restored one about 20 years ago, she came out of a back garden in Old Leigh & was built of very high quality ply, i sold her to a friend who raced her hard at Benfleet & did quite well in handicap racing.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Vagabond61 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:18 pm

I have just purchased a Vagabond, sail no. 61 and am currently restoring it to its former glory. If you have any further details of this boat I would appreciate an email as I cannot find a great deal from the web!! regards. Nick
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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by roger » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:40 pm

Any pictures Nick?
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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Vagabond61 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:53 pm

First pictures of Vagabond No.61. - Definately the correct sail number as it is also carved into the transom. Not done much work since these were taken apart from a full strip down and varnish of the front deck and interior. I must say it has come up extremely well. On striping the underside of many layers of paint I have discovered a couple of cracks in the flooring. My thoughts now are to replace it all with new pieces of ply. It looks like it could be a straight forward job though.

Ive searched high and low on google for information on the vagabond but can only find a couple of threads on forums about the odd restoration. Nothing about history, dates, quantities built etc.

Any help would be appreciated.

Nick
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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by SimonWaddell » Wed May 11, 2011 5:05 pm

Hi - I know I'm a bit late to the party here but on the offchance that anyone is still reading this thread...

I am the proud owner of VA39! She (Sprog) was given to me by my Grandpa, who has had her for about 40 years. I have all of the original plans, although some are in poor condition. Unfortunately they are too large to scan and send electronically as they are 1:1 size!

I am currently in the process of returning her to a working condition. She's been pretty much unused for at least 20 years and the glue has mostly failed. There were fairly rapid leaks around the centreboard casing and which needed to be addressed. I have enlisted the assistance of a professional carpenter/furniture maker who is doing the more technical stuff. Modern epoxy seems to be the way forward for the glue failures, although it is quite messy!

Any recommendations anyone may have regarding Vagabond restoration would be much appreciated; she needs to be able to stand up to the changable conditions on the Firth of Forth and I hope to visit some of the islands in the Forth in her. Has anyone tried using an outboard with a Vagabond? Sprog comes with oars but is not particularly easy to row. I imagine if using an outboard it would be fairly essential not to capsize...

It would definitely be good to have a wikipedia entry on the Vagabond. I will supply pictures of the restoration job and the finished boat once the work is complete.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by roger » Wed May 11, 2011 5:32 pm

Hi Simon, Welcome to the cvrda. I dont know the vagabond but as a Holt design she must be similar to the gp14s and Hornets etc. I have just had a similar glue problem with my hornet and have we had to reglue all the joints. The timing is right as the Holt centennial is coming up next year.
Good luck with the rebuild

Roger
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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Vagabond61 » Wed May 11, 2011 10:35 pm

As I now do not have the time to renovate VA61 she is up for sale complete with road trailer, oars, mast, boom, sails, centre board, tiller etc.

A couple of weekends work and she will be as good as new.

If anyone is interested then please get in touch.
Nick

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Ed » Wed May 11, 2011 11:08 pm

I don't know about a Wikipedia entry for the Vagabond.....but it would be really nice to have a few more words in our dinghy database about the design. cos there isn't much there at all.

Would anybody be able to put together a few words and some images for that.

I don't know much about the history of the class......maybe DH could fill that part of the story in.

Looking at those photos....it shows a kite-shoot?? that shows the boat in a bit of a different light to me??

Would be good to know more about the class.....like roger it has kinda passed me by.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Penndennis » Fri May 13, 2011 12:17 pm

To add to my previous.

We owned VA413 from about 1964, so a reasonably rapid initial growth. Ply throughout, with built-in tanks fore and aft. Adequate buoyancy when capsized, but had to be baled dry of course.

Deck stepped mast, square section with external halyards. Shrouds and forestay attached to the top of the mast by simple loop. Lightweight centreboard - broke in half on one race.

Original gaff had wooden jaws which fitted fairly closely to the mast. After my father had had to strengthen/repair them twice because of the strain on anything other than close-hauled, he fitted a track and swivelling gooseneck.

He also strengthened the transom to take a small Seahorse outboard probably 2.5 or 4 but I can't remember which.

The boat was a great trainer and perfect for family camping trips on Scottish lochs or inshore on the West Coast. She raced well to her handicap.

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by Vagabond61 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:22 pm

VA61 is no longer up for sale!! I will endeavour to restore her over the winter in time for Jacks centenary in April. Any information on forthcoming events to celebrate this ???
Nick

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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by roger » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:20 am

Great news that you are keeping her and doing her up for the centennial. we are in discussion with a couple of clubs that have strong links with Jack Holt and hope to publish more details of events soon.
Roger
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Re: Jack Holt 'Vagabond'

Post by pahv » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:40 am

Hello Sirs, I have the VA 224 in Chapala MEXICO with my brothers, I want know if you have information about how many boats were registered or built
this boat was built by my father in 1961, I have the plans, the boat, a seagull motor, and sails in good condition.

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