Early Int. Moth info.

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nigel » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:26 pm

There used to be a paper on the IM site detailing suggested PYs for IMs of different eras. If it is not ther, I may have a copy somewhere

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nigel » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:34 pm

Found it. It suggests 1111 for a Magnum 3, 1100 for Magnum 5 & 6 and 1060 for a Magnum 8

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by davidh » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:50 pm

That's the one Nigel! 1100 on a magnum 6 is well...... Banditry with a capital B! This was a boat that in a straight line could outpace a Merlin, in the right conditions a Fireball. That is not 'hype' - seen it done! At one breezy big high profile event a Magnum paced us in the 505 until it self destructed (and we went on to win so it was not a case of us not being up to the task).

As has been said - the PY system was in those days applied to the class as a whole and did not keep up with the rapid changes in the designs......

So Nessa, you'll be pot hunting then?????? And thinking of heading off to Pro-vela with Pete Barton

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nessa » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:58 pm

so how old is the boat? Is it cvrda eligible?

thanks for the info Nigel. I might need written evidence to convince the race committee at Hunts - assuming I can ever get the thing going!
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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Rupert » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:39 pm

Just cvrda able. A Magnum 6 won the Nats and worlds in 1984, so they were probebly built mainly over the next year or 2. I think would be a great boat to see out. I assume the kit came from John Claridge and was built by Clive Everest.

As for handicaps, unless you have been sailing this kind of boat regularly, I bet you can't get close to 1100. The previous generation of Moths (before the Magnums came along) were sailing off 100 on the old scale, Firefly speed. But I bet they were either miles behind or miles ahead,depending on the weather and on the sailor.
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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nessa » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:55 pm

I'm not expecting to sail it well, I just want to have fun! But I'm really pleased it's eligible for cvrda races. I will clean it up and get photos!
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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by jpa_wfsc » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:32 pm

Nigel wrote:Found it. It suggests 1111 for a Magnum 3, 1100 for Magnum 5 & 6 and 1060 for a Magnum 8
What does it say for a Skol? (or what is the link so I can find it myself?

Thanks..

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nigel » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:50 am

It doesn't mention the Skol by name but I presume it is covered by:

"PY 1115
Magnum 3 and 4 and any other designs of Moth still racing built in the early 1980s or before."


I can email the file for anyone that is interested (it would not let me attach a word doc). PM me the email address

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nessa » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:54 am

we have an axeman 5 coming as well, mothfest at Hunts!
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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nigel » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:08 am

Axeman 5 - 1020 suggested

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by davidh » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:01 am

Nessa,

the one thing in your favour when sailing against the mad axeman is that by the time they came along the PY number was dropping fast - you've a reduction between th two boats of 80 handicap points.

The other issue - very pertinent in moth terms - is that as the PY went down, the skill level needed to get around a course - went up!

Mind you, the Magnum won't be a doddle......

Stick to the M14!

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by angus » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:38 pm

Hmmm seems a bit harsh lumping the skol in with the magnum 3 there is about 10 years of developement between the to if my memory serves me right although 1115 does sound about right for a skol does that make a magnum 3 a bit of a bandit as well.

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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Nessa » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:29 pm

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moth bow.jpg
moth stern500.jpg
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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by Rupert » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:40 pm

Looks like it could be fun, Nessa. Are you going to put training wheels on? Bouyancy bags under the wing tubes seem to help the learning curve from what I've read.

As for handicaps, the Skol sailed off 100 when new, so that translates as approx 1135, if I remember rightly, but given that handicaps have all got faster over the years, the 1170 or whatever I sailed off and you sail off at WSC would seem fair, though possibly only with a newer sail, seeing as I don't think we have ever got near the front (or possibly middle) of the fleet...
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Re: Early Int. Moth info.

Post by davidh » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:32 am

Nessa and other like minded lepidopterists......

juts by what I hoope will be a happy coincidence, in the last few weeks I've done telephone interviews with both john Claridge and Mervyn Cook. As the weather is one again pretty brisk....wild and windy here, with the prospect of rain, my plan for today will be to write up what I've learnt. As soon as I know a publishing date in Y&Y I'll give you the heads up....... but I think I can promise you that the Magnum story will feature large...

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