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<rupert> Chris, the idea of the series was iconic individual dinghies, rather than classes of dinghy, so it isn't surprising that the boats featured either come from development classes or from one designs with tolerances big enough for a designer or builder to do enough tweaking to bring something special out of a design.

What you say about the skiff reducing the popularity of the class is very interesting. In retrospect maybe it is a shame that there wasn't a break away to a scow based Moth at the time.
I thought this was an interesting topic....

Of course the Int Moths have spawned other classes before that and since: BM, Europe & Bladerider?? Would another Moth spin-out of been a success?

What does that panel think was the most successful spin-out class there has ever been?

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What dev-class design would of made a good spin-out class of its own?

I always thought that the Proctor Mk IX would of make a wonderful one-design class

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IIRC the British Moth wasn't so much a spin-off of the International Moth as a pre-existing class that elected not to be folded into umbrella when various Moths merged into the International class...
I'm struggling to think of many more examples than the Europe where a spin off boat genuinely measured in both classes... there was, briefly, the One Design 14. The Unicorn was very successful and for many years almost eclipsed the A class in the UK, but a Firefly, for example, has never measured as an N12.
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Fair enough....

then what others are there? if any?

What about the Jet14.....do we call that a spin-out?

A Snipe Rig on a uffa fox 14 shell.

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Can't think of any off hand.....but I do echo the sentiment regarding the scow-moth as a class in it's own right, as they are so different and sooo much fun to sail........I'd love to see it :)
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The Gannet was a decked in Mk1 Fairey 14, but I can't say it was much of a success, and wouldn't have measured, being decked.

As for boats that should have been - Its a shame that faireys took such a conservative approach to the Gannet. They had a great oppotunity to create a 14 foot masterpiece from that hullform, though it was being superceeded by faster 14's, but they went with a look that was a few years out of date even then.
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Is the applecore a spin out?
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Jacksnipe?
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If you expand the scope slightly, there must be plenty of classes that can trace their ancestry back to a dev class design. For starters -

Lark - Nat 12, Jackson March Hare design
Laser 2 - Bethwaite Cherub (think I read that somewhere?)
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Agree Dave, that seems a bit more likely to bring up some designs.

but tell me more about the Jacksnipe. I know the boat, but don't know where the design came from....so tell us more.

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IMHO the best spin out class is the 505 that evolved fom the french restricted caneton...albeit in some contorted way
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MRX - a smooth hulled asymmetric Merlin Rocket and that also points to another obvious one - the RS400 since they were all Phil Morrison designs.
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Mayfly and Seafly were also derived from a Merlin design. There are still a few Seaflys lurking in the dinghy park at Starcross
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The Australian "Lightweight" Sharpie was derived directly from the 12sq M Sharpie and remains a major class.

The Tasar is an NS14 hull with rake on bow (leading to more flare) and a bigger rig. The NS14 itself was basically a John Spencer Javelin with a smaller rig, no kite and no trap.

The MG14 (another Aussie class) was initially a small-rig "training" version of the Aussie 14.

The Sunfish was a Sailfish (?) modification and of course it's a huge class so probably takes out #1 spot in terms of most successful class.

I completely agree that the Scow Moth would have made a great spin-off. The secret in getting a class to spin off seems to be making sure that it's a separate class and not a sub-group of a development class, IMHO.
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What about the Sprog - the original South African design from which the Scorpion developed?
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It did? Tell us more, please!
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