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what's this???

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Re: what's this???

Post by azimuth » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:17 pm

MR maybe? Is the bow vertical enough? There appears to be a number on the thwart....
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Re: what's this???

Post by Michael4 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:20 pm

Do side thwarts mean W & C? Looks like 1226 but I haven't got a year book.
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Re: what's this???

Post by Obscured by clouds » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:40 pm

1226 would make it a Wyche and Copock mkXII - if it were a MR... but does that c/board lock like it's metal? As far as I know metal plates are'nt allowed.
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Re: what's this???

Post by neil » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:40 pm

think the last pic with the builder's plate gives it away.
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Re: what's this???

Post by Rupert » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:21 am

It is clearly a Merlin, but the centreboard looks familiar, too, from another class, but I can't think what.
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Re: what's this???

Post by Michael4 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:23 am

neil wrote:think the last pic with the builder's plate gives it away.
Does rather...!
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Re: what's this???

Post by Bill-Conner » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:21 pm

Much more likely a Proctor 11 (2) National 12 measured with the e bay elastic tape!
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Re: what's this???

Post by Rupert » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:14 pm

That first shot makes it look longer than a 12, but other do look more dumpy, if that is the right word. I just assumed camera angles.
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Re: what's this???

Post by GAv » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:38 pm

I don't know whether this is entirely relevant , but the Wych and Coppock Proctor markV11 circa 1957 'Caprice, I owned, had rolled side decks, and as said a more upright looking bow, the latter characteristic in all Merlin Rockets, after the original Wizard ones like Kate and even Gentley which didn't?
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Although the original Uffa Fox Nationals were I believe designed for the Royal Harwich YC There aren't many in evidence on the Orwell now. A few 14s but again a few wide bodied 12s but few earlier types.
I can't say I know the nuances of the class, or that there was a National 11, presuming the tape measure anecdote, by Bill Connor, wasn't a Josh.

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Re: what's this???

Post by realnutter » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:25 pm

If the number is 1226, it's not an N12... N12 1226 was designed by Charles Currey, and built by Chippendale...
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Re: what's this???

Post by realnutter » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:28 pm

I've just blown up the picture, and it looks more like 1776... which is a Proctor Mk4A, built by W&C in 1955...

At that price I'm sorely tempted... My much more modern N12 is too tippy for me...
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Re: what's this???

Post by Bill-Conner » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:37 pm

I agree a Proctor mk 4a National 12 apart from anything else the side decks are far too narrow for a Merlin Rocket

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Re: what's this???

Post by Ed » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:40 pm

Looks like a N12 to me, except the angle does make it look longer I admit.

But forgetting that, it simply looks like a N, not a Merlin.

The plaque says it was a proctor design built by W&C.

I reckon the number is 1776, which would make it a Mark4a called Islay Mist, built by W&C.

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Re: what's this???

Post by cweed » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:40 am

About 1970 I had N12 sail no. 400 ish, and that had a metal centrplate.

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