Proctor Centenary 2018

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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by davidh » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:53 pm

Although production may well have been 2001/2, that is already a decade after Ian died whilst with the Wayfarers at Hayling.

I'll contact the family and see if the plans have a date on them. I'm working closely with the family on other aspects of the centenary so hopefully can resolve thins.

Neil - Ed...... I've got a couple of dates for IC designs - do you know how many different Marques of canoe designs Ian produced?

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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by realnutter » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:58 pm

trebor wrote:Would this be the last new Scow design by anyone?
I doubt it is...

Certainly outside of dinghies there's the Quant 23, a foiling keelboat scow... and some Mini Transat boats have been scows too....
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by davidh » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:32 am

Hmmmmm - that's an interesting one and a thought that has got me pondering.

Those of you with well working memories may recall the article that I did for Dinghy Mag on 'Skiffs v Scows' (I ought to have the .pdfs somewhere) but I don't think the Spectrum featured in that. Plenty of other more modern takes on the scow hull form did surface.

Has there been a new scow shaped dinghy since Spectrum - not in the UK, but maybe out abroad.

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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by Michael4 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:05 am

I'd be interested to know what the definition of 'scow' actually is...from little things scooting around the South Coast through Cat boats to big flat Aussie devices that look a little scary?
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by trebor » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:06 am

I always assumed same shape as Topper, Minissail, Fireball, Swallow etc, didn't think their was any ambiguity.
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by davidh » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:18 am

Robert,

Au Contraire - not all scows are scows! I'd have to dig out the article I did on them, when I looked at how the way of naming a blunt bowed boat a scow came about (IIRC it comes from the Dutch) but then you can have a boat like a Lymington Scow (the original of the genre) which is a different shape and much more dinghy like.

As with so many things in the dinghy heritage, not all is as it might otherwise seem.

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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by davidh » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:56 pm

Ok, have found the article and will reduce it and try to post it up on here.

BUT - back to Proctor - we've yet more designs....

Leprecaun
Rolinx
Swinger 20

Now if anyone can thrown ANY light on these I'd be very grateful - one of these came as a surprise to me too.

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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by Rupert » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:38 pm

Meant to ask - are you going to try and find a Seamew and Seagull as well?
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by davidh » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm

Rupert,

No - but will make plenty of reference out to them. I hadn't fully appreciated just how big a part Proctor played in the post war expansion in small keelboats - which then continued on through boats such as the Pirate and Eclipse. It is a part of the Proctor story, though thankfully not one that will involve me overly much as the range of his keelboats is quite extensive.

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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by trebor » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:23 pm

Seagull, hmmm heard something about one of these recently.
No surprise some of these boats didn't make it, what strange names.
Leprechaun ?
Rolinx ?
and a Swinger 20 ?
What do you sail ? oh a Rolinx.
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by realnutter » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:35 pm

Rolinx seems to have been the plastic injection moulding company that originally made the Topper.... presumably the boat of that name was a Topper sequel!
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by davidh » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:44 pm

Robert,

Au contraire - the Seagull and Seamew both sold well.........as did his later cruisers

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Post by trebor » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:49 pm

I don't mean Seagull and Seamew (well Seamew a bit odd), someone recently told me they had acquired a Seagull.
I meant the other three.
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by Rupert » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:05 pm

Or do the names only sound odd because we aren't used to them? After all, Osprey sounds fine, but maybe Peregrine sounds a little strange? Another fine example of a Proctor keelboat, which seems well ahead of its time, looking at the current sports boat scene.
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Re: Proctor Centenary 2018

Post by trebor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:37 am

Did he design any boats jointly? And were any of them famous designers?
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