Some thing you've never thought about..

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Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by jon711 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:48 pm

What would be the best classic boat to teach a new girlfriend to sail in??

I have no maintenance area (except the dinghy park)
She know's diddly squat about sailing
I am (slightly) proficient at sailing

I do not want to end up with a Pico, Xenon etc..

Any ideas??

Jon

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:59 pm

OK, I'll start with the obvious...If both fairly small, the Mirror would be great. If you want something with a bit more classic rarity, swap the Mirror for a Mk1 Gull, a Heron, an 11+, an Embassy or whatever other uncommon 1950's, 60's or early 70's boat is lurking at the back of the dinghy park. If looking for GRP, go with a West 11, Otter or Turtle.

If you are wanting something bigger, go for a GP14 (can be GRP, too). Again, rarity value can be found in this size of boat, though possbly not in quite the same quantity. A Pacer has a nice open cockpit, and can be found in GRP, when found at all. A Mayfly or (bigger) a Seafly. The Leader is rather nice. If you want to go the ugly ducking route (though it really hasn't turned into a beautiful swan with age) how about a Skipper 12 or 14?

Wayfarer sized, you could look at the Wineglass (all GRP) or the Fairey Falcon (hot moulded) if you could find one.

I'm sure Ebay could turn up a whole host of other possibilities, and at this time of year, at very good value.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by jon711 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:13 pm

I would love a 100% GRP MayFly. I learnt to sail in ASC's Bosun's, MayFly's, Adventurer's, Topper's, and other assorted boats. Was there a 100% GRP MayFly made???? But the MayFly, like the Graduate (My first boat),and the Blaze (My current boat), all hold a special place in my hearrt...

Aaaaahhhh, isn't that sweet???

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Anyone want to take a swing at me, when I say that a MayFly was great? (It sure was when I was 13 years old!!)

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Nessa » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:33 pm

Her indoors is at around level 2 stage, so her next step will be into the Marauder which I think will be fine, and better than the hateful wrist busting Vision which was her last outing.

Otherwise I'm still hunting for another grp GP14 for a training boat at Hunts - I've got one, but the snow has yet to let me get to Cardigan to collect it.

Without wishing to go off on a tangetn, how old must these be to qualify for our cvrda meet? We have three classic/ vintage GPs at present, so there should be a fair turnout of these.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by alan williams » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:03 pm

Hi
Back in the days when Hornets had sliding seats. I taught several of my girl friends to sail in the hornet. With in a month most were able to crew in a race. Remember when you are learning New skills it does not matter how complex they are as they are all new. So throw in a spinnaker trapeze etc they don't know any better and are therefore not worried by them. Happy New Year
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Garry R » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:17 pm

Trish had never sailed before she met me and I set her on the path to redemption in the Merlins. She still needs reminding about gybes etc but as Alan says she doesn't know any difference although prefers Secret Water to Gannet. Having said that I wouldn't want to sail in a new Merlin - more than 3 controls I wouldn't have a clue what to do!! If we come to a disaster point (capsize) I accept all blame and so the relationship on the water prospers. Having said all this there are those silent female crew moments which we men recognise and learn to deal with. I wonder what she will think of the Enterprise when her shins are black and blue (all in the cause of originality of course).

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by jpa_wfsc » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:17 pm

Teach her to learn to tack facing backwards! It makes roll tacking any number of boats much easier as you just say - move with me and ignore what the boat is doing!

Which brings us back to the point about taking the blame when you capsize.... cept you can say sorry AS you go over rather than after you have.

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ancient Geek » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:09 pm

Garry et al,
Have you ever sat her down with some paper and explained how and why a boat sails and then explained as you sailed what was happening, in 1966 I took a girl friend / fiance who had never sailed and between Feb and March turned her into a Silver Tiller winning crew we won easily that year too she sat out hard, trimmed well balanced well etc but then on a horse she did have good legs a great seat and good hands (Or that is what the horse thought!) so she was halfway there in transferable skills.
Alternatively sub contract to a sailing school and a good primer book.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ed » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:35 am

Was once picking up a FF mast from a guy on Hayling on Sunday Evening.

His daughter came back in from sailing with her new boyfriend....

she had just taken him for his first day's sailing - racing at HISC.

I asked him how it went....and he said fine...I asked him what he was sailing and he told me a Laser.

I thought/presumed he had been in a double-hander and queried this...and he said yes...a Laser 5000.

Could be a bit of a baptism by fire....come home....meet the parents....go for a little sail....in a Laser 5000.

Anyway, he seemed happy enough and as Alan says, if you don't know any better, you just get on with it.

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ancient Geek » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:12 pm

Snowed in at epicentre of Southern Snow walking to catch a train (the things I do for England!).
Reading the previous posts I think I have found my problem, I take it too seriously! Perhaps the approach of Oddball in Kelly heroes is better, "Drink a little wine, smoke a few joints, catch a few rays, chillout" or something like that.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ed » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:22 pm

Ah....Oddball!

The font of all wisdom.....and many a good quote

my favourite has always been:

"Always with the Negative Waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves"

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by roger » Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:09 pm

Als post reminds me of my brothers very small very shy girlfriend when he first brought her home to our very boistrous noisy family home. She was a single child brought up in a quiet home. Poor girl soon got used to noisy family meals etc and THEN Andy announced he was taking her sailing. We assumed he was taking my Mirror but no the Hornet was the boat. Guess what she had no idea about sailing so jumped on the sliding seat and loved it. Including the kite and the three sail plane from Gurnard to Fishbourne. Baptism of fire maybe but they are still married and two of their sons have both made successful careers in sailing.
I wouldnt recomend a modern Hornet though far more sail area etc but any fear you show will be tranfered.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by JB9 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:08 pm

A Jollyboat.

Uffa Fox designed them as a picnic boat as well as a well mannered racing dinghy.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ed » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:51 pm

Jollyboat?

Maybe....

I have always wondered if it was more a case of Fairey asking Uffa for a 'Picnic Boat'....

and Uffa giving them a 'well-mannered racing dinghy' ??

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by JimC » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:24 pm

Personally I've always found Cherubs good for teaching sailing.

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