Some thing you've never thought about..

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:35 pm

roger wrote:AG looking for a good lugsail Dinghy? Look no further than the family of Scows from the Solent. All slightly different. Lets see if i can get them all?

West Wight Scow,
Lymington/Hurst/Keyhaven
Bembridge
Brading Haven

Rupert are there any others?

Still thriving at Yarmouth and Hurst not sure about the others but I guess they are.
Not a Scow anorak, I'm afraid - I'm sure each village had their own variation (which no one else could spot!) in the old days...
The different plastic versions (Keyhaven being one?) also have different names, to add to the confusion.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ancient Geek » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:48 pm

May I refer you to my previous answer I'll add that good as scows are not for my purpose!
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:17 pm

Are boats like local wines? Great when you sail/drink them where they are supposed to be sailed/drunk, but, like a Spanish wine brought back to Britain, disappointing in the wrong place?
So a Solent Scow is not the right boat for the east coast?
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ancient Geek » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:47 am

A very good analogy Rupert in this instance anyway, can't think of that at the moment just gone a over t and pulled both hamstrings, ultra sound becons.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:49 pm

Ouch...
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Michael Brigg » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:21 pm

West Wight Scow,
Lymington/Hurst/Keyhaven
Bembridge
Brading Haven
I know of at least one or two Portchester Ducks, and at the head of Portsmouth Harbour, there is a regular fleet of Fareham luggers sailing every Sunday morning until the bar opens.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Michael Brigg » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:40 pm

Looking up Scows on google reminded me of the "Chichester Scow," another one from the solent and recently commisioned by Bosham sailing club. The design is in fact only 4-5 years old so local wine is still being produced.

I never quite understood how a scow developed from a name for a single lug sailed beginner such as this one... Presumably from Cowes??
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... for which the name is appropriate.

...to the flat bottomed and blunt ended flyers refered to as Scows and similar shown below, but Andy Williams comment...
Remember when you are learning New skills it does not matter how complex they are as they are all new. So throw in a spinnaker trapeze etc they don't know any better and are therefore not worried by them.
Would seem entirely appropriate!!
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As AG said...
The late Jack Knights once suggested that any child who rewad Swallows and Amazons should then be able to sail a boat...
...But then modern education seems to think reading any book other than Harry Potter or similar is a bad thing.
Harry Potter fans will notice that someone has conjured up a "Dark Mark" from the spinnaker!
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ancient Geek » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:58 am

The picture of a Melges Scow (Several types and sizes.) reminds me of three summer months with The Universities sailing team in the USA and Canada a bit of which was spent on The Great Lakes team racing in Cat (Una.) rigged scows, the overwhelming memory is how the things slammed to windward and how big and powerful everything was. Not a bit like a Fireball.

What, Dr Brigg, pray, is a Dark Mark?

Presumably the other "scow" is a rather pale Fresian?
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:55 pm

AG, the Dark Mark comes from those books you feel have stopped people reading Swallows and Amazons.
Personally, from what I've seen of my son and his friends, if you get people hooked on reading something like Harry Potter, they will continue to read other things afterwards, having discovered that books and the imagination can be every bit as exciting as computer games.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by David HL » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:18 pm

If you are teaching them to helm, then use almost anything roomy and stable, with a reduced sail plan, should work. I''ve used a 505 once, and a Javelin many times. With a 60-70 odd sq ft main and an old jib rolled up to half its size, you have amazing control under force 5. The more girlfriends you teach the better teacher you become! Of course a Javelin is just too young and doesn't qualify. I have thought of trying my old Finn with an A rig (small) RS300 main, that cocks right up high. Has anyone taught a girlfriend in a Finn? Maybe I'll try it this summer when the water's warm. Trouble is she is 6ft too.

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Ancient Geek » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:22 pm

Yes Rupert, I had worked out the source, but what is it?
I do agree that anything that gets them reading is good,
but am currently bemused as to how a young graduate of my acquaintance managed to get a First in English from Bristol University without reading Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespear or the existential or lalkeland poets or Oscar Wilde, she did INdian Literature in English from 1948 onwards, more Mastermind than degree course I would have thought!
Having said that I managed a grade one Eng Lit at O level by only seeing (Several times.) the films of Julias Caesar and Great Expectations and not reading them at all!
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:56 pm

It is the symbol the Death Eaters send into the sky when they have perpertrated some act of violence or hatred. The Death Eaters are the chief baddie's cohorts.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Rupert » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:57 pm

As for the rest, I'm a voracious reader of trash, I'm afraid, and the classics are beyond my wit to comprehend.
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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by Pat » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:14 pm

One student we know is studying Ancient History at Reading (appropriately) and her thesis is titled something like "the use of ancient history in Harry Potter books" which is a great excuse for in depth reading of all the books.

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Re: Some thing you've never thought about..

Post by alan williams » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:34 pm

Yes times are bad a friend of mine has a PHD for research into the social history of the Rolling Stones but did get to interview Mick and the lads.
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