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SingTheNightSong
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measurement certs

Post by SingTheNightSong » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:31 pm

forgive me my ignorance - but i'm a "newbie" to racing (at 69!!) -

is a measurement certificate essential to (for example) prove which "category" a boat goes into
(to put this another way - for a boat to compete at Roadford would he be obliged to produce the measurement cert to "officialdom" - and would that fact be recorded??)(this was the last time the boat was in competition)

(neither the Class Association Secs or the previous owner can find any trace of the MC anywhere!! - and the only solution would appear to be remeasurement - which would be a shame for "E110" - an original Jack Holt boat)

any solutions please?? - "help" - peter horscroft

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Re: measurement certs

Post by JimC » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:45 pm

Remeasurement wouldn't normally mean issuing a new sail number. As long as you've got some reasonable evidence for the number, like it being carved on the hull, or even just a sail, most classes will treat that as good enough evidence - at least provided no-one else is claiming the same number!

Remeasurement is a pretty routine affair normally, most times it only gets awkward if a boat has warped horribly over the years! I guess attitudes will be different in different classes, and I don't know what the Enterprises are like.

Different events will be more or less relaxed about how necessary it is to produce a measurement certificate, but I've not ever been asked for one for a CVRDA event. Maybe if you wanted to do the Nationals it would be a different matter.

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Re: measurement certs

Post by SingTheNightSong » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:12 pm

thanks for that :: JimC - "life doesn't get easy!!" - peter

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Re: measurement certs

Post by Rupert » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:19 pm

No certificate has ever been asked for at any cvrda event!

It may well be that the RYA has some sort of record, as they do for Fireflies, as the Ent has official recognition. But, as Jim says, getting a new certificate should be reasonably straightforward, especially if the Ents have a archiavist looking after such things.
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Re: measurement certs

Post by solentgal » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:25 am

This is something I had been wondering about too...........what generally is the attitude towards certificates by clubs for us "fun" racers? For example is anyone really going to ask for a certificate on an old Mirror, or GP14 when it is obviously what it says on the sail, and (in our case) an old, ill equipped boat............just thinking that with apparently declining numbers at many clubs, it would seem to be a good thing to take the CVRDA approach and just get folk out there!

I could understand being asked for a certificate if I turned up at a Moth open for example, or even at a club race if I had a newly refurbished GP with all the latest kit.
What is the general feeling about this..........I ask as we are due to meet our proposed club officials tomorrow night, and the lack of Moth certificate (or, indeed one for any other boat) has been bothering me?
Sami.

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Re: measurement certs

Post by roger » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:14 am

Cetainly the cvrda have never asked for a measurement certificate.

I suspect that unless you start beating a people with brand new state of the art boats worth £0000 with a knackered old boat then someone may start asking questions.

I have never been asked for certificates and when I attended the Hornet 60th Europeans they didnt bother to weigh Shoestring even though most of the other boats were weighed. She was no threat to the Hot shots and neither am I :lol:
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Re: measurement certs

Post by Rupert » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:35 am

Some classes will ask for a certificate at a Nationals - the Fireflies do - but I've never been asked at an open for any class.

The only reason I can see it might happen with the cvrda is if someone comes along with a boat they swear blind qualifies, but there is doubt from the organizers. In 15 years, this has never happened, so I doubt it ever will.

I simply can't see a club asking - no one would be in a position to verify anything anyway.

What a certificate can have is the buoyancy endorsement. This used to be asked for, but is now deliberately not, so as to minimize liability to the club or event.
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Re: measurement certs

Post by Pat » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:08 pm

RYA gold members can get one free certificate per year for classes they administer - it's £20 otherwise. Merlins and Albacores come under them so it's saved me some money.
http://www.rya.org.uk/racing/equipmentc ... cates.aspx
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Re: measurement certs

Post by PeterV » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:32 pm

The only time I felt I needed a cert for my Finn was when I entered the Nationals at Falmouth in 2012, but I just had to sign the entry form to say the boat measured. I really wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: measurement certs

Post by Michael4 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:18 pm

I have only ever been asked what PY I would like(!) and could I please have a number on the mainsail...but then we are right at the back of the fleet
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Re: measurement certs

Post by chris » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 am

I can confirm what Rupert and Roger have said:
That certificates have never been mentioned let alone checked at any CVRDA meeting.
There would have to be something very obviously 'out of class' or perhaps 'out of ethos' for anyone to worry.
Buoyancy testing is your affair too. The only thing we would ask on the entry form you sign is that you have suitable insurance.
I doubt if many of the boats that come have a certificate now.

If you go in for you class' nationals or other class events you may well be asked for a certificate though.

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Re: measurement certs

Post by solentgal » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:11 am

Thank you everyone, that takes one little worry off my mind tonight when we go to meet everyone :)
Sami.

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