Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by Aquarius » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:30 pm

I see nothing to reassure me at all, there. That's the Chinese "sailing scene" that I'm familiar with. A production line of wanna-be Ben Ainslies. Nobody will ever have heard of Jack Holt nor will they care. There's not a lot of money in waste paper but any marginal contribution to the cost of relocating a container is welcome.

I see a lot of interesting pub decorations and a certain amount of nonferrous metal.

The auctioneers will certainly have Chinese buyers for their everyday stock in trade of bankrupt industrial equipment;I have played a part in shipping out the Rover production line the Fords Dagenham production line and a Kentish paper mill... It's not a big punt for a salvage buyer to fill a few empty containers going East.
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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by trebor » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:17 pm

Hmmm, ok, I tend towards optimism myself.
However I know nothing about shipping, I can see the sense in putting items in empty returning containers.
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Post by JimC » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:58 pm

I'd be extremely surprised if "going to china" is anything other than "being dumped in a container for scrapping/recycling".

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Post by trebor » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:58 pm

What would it be worth ?
Might be cheap labour and costs in China, but not here, cost of labour to manhandle X amount of boats into containers, add Driver of Truck plus fuel, difficult to see any margin, you can't get rid of wooden boats on ebay for 99p.
I would have thought the dealer who has purchased boats paid more than 99p ?
He can come to our club and take abandoned boats for free, save us paying for a skip.
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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by T_G » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:56 pm

From my observations, Lowestoft Marina and Tony have done a fine job while being landlord to these boats, none of them have been sat with rainwater and leaf mould in the bilges, but in dry, well ventilated and sturdy racks, in a secure compound. The mass transit of them around the country is probably where any damage has been done. Although a few random covers / tyres / pallets sully the pictures, the yard was a damn site cleaner than most classic boatyard or restoration sheds.

The key issue is why an individual's desire to save/own these boats has led to a majority of them being sat untouched for many years. It seems self evident that maintaining a public collection of historic dinghies is not a viable proposition, the cost of restoration outweighs their value, the intention to sail fleets at regattas seems optimistic, transporting them seems onerous, and maintaining them requires more than volunteer labour. These reasons are why individual ownership by responsible enthusiasts with knowledgeable supporting peer groups are the only viable proposition. I can understand the heartbreak after years of collecting, the sense of loss to see your donation split up, the fear that unsuitable people will do the wrong thing, but unless a collection has a clearly funded and staffed support operation then it seems that the cycle will repeat. If we compare this to classic car or plane ownership, then outside the handful of solvent specialist heritage collections, private ownership and associations of like minded members are the only way to go.

It would be interesting to hear more of Andrew Thornhill's intentions / plans for the 25 boats he now has, but it does provide one safe exit route for anyone suffering from buyer's remorse.

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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by Aquarius » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:39 am

I agree with Toby's comments in the post above this one.

I have just been told that the Chinese buyers are perfectly genuine, that they are setting up a museum, and that they took advice from the NMM, but that they "got a bit carried away" and bought many more boats than they should have done, particularly dinghies at Lowestoft, and are now coming to terms with the cost of transport.

Apparently there will be some discussions with them and the liquidators so if anyone is feeling "non-buyer's remorse" they might yet get another bite at the cherry.
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1962(?) Firefly F3163 "Aquarius"
1946 International Fourteen K478 "Galatea"
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1991(?) Nethercot IC K229, "Ogaf the Unbearable"
Squib. possibly number 251, "Squirt"

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Post by trebor » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:00 pm

Good news about Chinese buyers, let's hope their is a market developing for classic boats in China, always more boats available than buyers.
Perhaps their is a Forum in China for sailing we could twin with ?
Very difficult country to access with google search etc.
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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by Aquarius » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:33 pm

trebor wrote:Good news about Chinese buyers, let's hope their is a market developing for classic boats in China, always more boats available than buyers.
Perhaps their is a Forum in China for sailing we could twin with ?
Very difficult country to access with google search etc.
Google and Facebook are blocked by the Great Firewall of China but the Internet is very much used in China. If you download and install the Wechat app from Tencent (in the App Store for both Apple and Android) you are "through" the Great Firewall and into the Looking Glass World of the vast, vast, Chinese Internet. Having said that, you will certainly need a translation app..

Meanwhile I gather that the NMM have contact with the Chinese buyers.
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1962(?) Firefly F3163 "Aquarius"
1946 International Fourteen K478 "Galatea"
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1991(?) Nethercot IC K229, "Ogaf the Unbearable"
Squib. possibly number 251, "Squirt"

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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by Petej » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:19 pm

I would have thought that the Chinese setting up a collection of the ethnic boats was a good idea , at least that would keep the collection together . Many of them being from the East in the first place

However I see no reason why they would be interested in the very random dinghy collection , the boats from which would be better off in private Uk hands

The idea mentioned above of some sort of collection of classic dinghies being raced and maintained under the ownership of the magpie fills me with gloom as we all know it just wont work

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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by trebor » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:56 pm

Classic sailing dinghies in China.
Looks like a job for David H, nice story for him to research ?
Though not if we have to mount a rescue mission behind the bamboo curtain.
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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by Aquarius » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:32 pm

A propos of nothing much, I have used a yuloh ,and they are very effective.

The Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club (yes, it's still called that in English, and the suggestion that the Chinese name is "The humble persons' sampan association" is a vile calumny...) used to maintain a Club fleet of Bosuns.

The only sailing dinghies that si ever saw in China.
CVRDA eligible:
1962(?) Firefly F3163 "Aquarius"
1946 International Fourteen K478 "Galatea"
Not CVRDA eligible:
1991(?) Nethercot IC K229, "Ogaf the Unbearable"
Squib. possibly number 251, "Squirt"

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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by suffolkmerlin » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:59 am

Does anyone know what happened to Enterprise no 1? I think it sold for about £400, do we know if that went to China

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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by gbr1084 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:44 pm

Enterprise 1 was bought by NMM Falmouth. Saw it in the shed when I was visiting the GRP prototype tempest.
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Re: Roll up, roll up, buy an entire museum collection

Post by suffolkmerlin » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:22 am

Great, so they have Enterprise No1 and No 2

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