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moth cutting

Post by chris » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:03 pm

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i have been given some moth stuff from 1968 and after...interesting reading.
can someone explain about the first sail emblem of an M in a circle, which i had associated with the British moth but i see it on pre 70s Int moths. what is the story there?

I could scan some of the papers if anyone is interested.

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Re: moth cutting

Post by realnutter » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:52 pm

I don't know why it changed.. the '68 British yearbook has pics of both the M in a circle (both M and circle are printed in red, but that may just be the printing tech of the era) and the moth silhouette....

Both the British Moth, and the CMBA in America use a red M in a blue circle....
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Re: moth cutting

Post by Rupert » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:17 am

I believe it changed with the unification of the various moth classes around the world to create the truly international class.
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Re: moth cutting

Post by Nessa » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:29 am

Remember Yellow Peril? She has the BM insignia but is not a BM.
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Re: moth cutting

Post by Spiderman » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:56 pm

When my Shelley was built in 1967 it would have had the red M in a blue circle as the sail emblem. In fact the low aspect Anderson Aerosail that came with the boat when I bought her still has that symbol. From memory and in line with what Rupert said earlier, the emblem changed in 1970 together with the adoption of the Aussie tall fully battened rig when the various restricted Moth classes combined to become truly International. I also seem to remember that until the emblem changed the British Moth version was plain black and they adopted the two colour version when the International Moths dropped it in favour of the Moth/ butterfly silhouette? Otherwise there would have been no way to easily distinguish which was which in a handicap fleet.
Rupert might know or be able to find out if this is true or not?

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Re: moth cutting

Post by Rupert » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:00 pm

Not sure about the colour. Old black and white photos don't help! I'd always thought they were the same, but could be wrong. Often am...
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Re: moth cutting

Post by chris » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:11 pm

Having looked again at the two year books I have I think they may hold the explanation themselves. The one dated 1967-1968 has on the cover ‘British Association for International Moth Racing’ and the under the measurement rule (3e) describes the M in a circle as the emblem. Another rule refers to ‘...their own associations... ‘ so presumably this was just at the time that individual nations had their own association that were still to be become one unified international association.
The last rule (no. 4 ) shows that there were some discrepancies between individual associations and were being unified at this time.
The more recent yearbook is from the IMCA not the British Association .

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Re: moth cutting

Post by realnutter » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:01 pm

Chris, what's the other year you have??

There's a load here

http://international-moth-archive.org/i ... k-archive/

If you have any of the missing ones, '70 and '71 in particular, I'd love to see them to try and pin down the exact age of my boat....
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Re: moth cutting

Post by chris » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:29 pm

I only have two year books. 1967-68 and 1989
The older book has a list of owners and their boats. the boat with the highest number is k.2861

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