A boat of beauty

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A boat of beauty

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A boat of beauty on e bay properby not for cvrda but interesting never the less?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Zealand-Moth- ... 240%3A1318
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It is gorgeous isn't it? If I had unlimited funds I would be adding it to my collection...but she has already said 'no' and my pocket money doesn't stretch that far.... :cry:
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Has someone cut the leach off the sail?
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I wondered about the leech but i throught that a british moth sail would fit - just for fun.
Wonder what the PY would work out at :?:
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Surely just a loose footed mainsail?
Simples.
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Hi AG,

It took me a minute to work out what as going on - apart from the moth with a cropped wing, check the sail number - KZ586 with the 6 missing on this side and the K missing on the other.
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From Fairey Marine/Uffa Fox I-14's to scows. Brit Len Parker, now living in Florida, sent me this link. I agree, it is a pretty boat but entirely illegal to the Moth rule when it was built. Moths (this one was built pre racks so we will date the build to the mid 60's) couldn't have hollows greater than 1" aft of the daggerboard trunk. The Australian Cole Mouldie Scows had a tunnel hull in the bow but this was faired into a rounded bottom aft of the DB trunk. Someone actually built a Moth with catamaran bows merged into a rounded back shape. Since this craft has a tunnel hull running through most of the hull, we can't classify it as a legal Moth when built but I can't see why it wouldn't qualify for CVRDA events (certainly old enough).
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Rod wrote:we can't classify it as a legal Moth when built but
Not necessarilly... The New Zealand Moth is a different class to the International Moth with a different rule set. I would have though the boat was 70s rather than 80s judging by the gear.
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I wouldn't turn it away from a CVRDA event!

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bert wrote:A boat of beauty on e bay properby not for cvrda but interesting never the less?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Zealand-Moth- ... 240%3A1318
I wasn`t thinking that ANY boat that fitted the age limits would be turned away but seeing as it`s New Zealand made I throught that it was not properbly for cvrda.
But stand corrected.
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I wasn't correcting you :)

Nor giving a definitive ruling.....not in any position to do that!

just a personal thought.

Mind you, I am not sure where the presumption of the CVRDA being a 'national' organisation comes from.....others have said much the same.

But when we set it up as the first 'virtual' sailing association, we were very aware that it could be of interest to the whole world....and never wanted to be put any geographical boundaries on it. That was rather why it was cvrda.org and not cvrda.org.uk

I welcome everyone to come and chat here.....and those that are close enough to an event to come and sail with us.

But gosh it is really beautiful....if I weighed 10st I would be interested.....but I would sink it if I sat on it.

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Jim, Definitely not a New Zealand One Design scow Moth. I have the plans to that and it has a completely flat bottom. Not sure if the New Zealand Moth is now in the Lost Classes Category. My last correspondence has some still racing in Stewarts Gully YC Christchurch (no clue where that is). I do have a black/white scanned photo from an article of an Australian scow Moth with radical tunnel hull configuration in th bow but can't determine how far back this tunnel goes. The picture does show some similarity to this hull that is for sale. The 1" concavity rule was designed to prohibit catamaran shapes. I would have to ask the local Classic Moth historian when that came into effect.

In 1969, the Australian Moth and the International Moth rules became one with the International Moth adopting the higher aspect Australian rig and at the same time the beam was bumped from 5 feet to 7 feet. So in the 70's, both scow and skiff Moths sported racks to get to max beam. A Moth with no racks most likely was designed in the 1960's (it may have been built later)
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New Zealand scow Moth is NOT a lost class as indicated by this link.

http://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/CustomSite ... stomID=180
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Sorry Guys
No Assoc. in this country counts as a lost class and could sail as old boat as qualifies on age I would definately allow it to race in any CVRDA event. I would also question the hollow debate the Imperium scow had a very similar hull shape a boat which I've sailed, definately had a tunnel and looked remarkably like this boat. Boats were built to this shape at the same time as skiff types such as the Shelley were popular and until a rule was brought in to ban them the tunnel hull scows ruled the roost in a blow, but boats which measured to the old rules were still I believe legal. Equally some Moths were built with shaped wings which could be used to lift the main hull partially out of the water ( I had a Chelsea Morning which had wings designed to do this). The multihull rule was brought in to curb further development but the boats were still allowed to race. Shelf life of a moth at that time was a max of two seasons due to 1.5mm 3mm and 1mm ply being used in their construction in the UK. Hardly any paint or varnished was used to keep the weight down, so the problem resolved it's self very quickly due to natural wastage.
The first case of sitting out aids in a Moth that I know of was a design called Hannibal Crossing the Alps which had a sliding seat device fitted to each side of the hull Hannibal was a very radical moth in I think the mid Sixties ( I was about 14 at the time), and there was a big article in Y&Y at the time.

Cheers Al Finn424 etc.
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