Highest price per volume?
Highest price per volume?
Rupert
Re: Highest price per volume?
wow, that was nearly a coffee on the keyboard moment. Looks like a mini aggie, and the same builder. By this chap's reckoning that would make my boat worth a fair old bit!
Perhaps the dog is included in the sale, that would explain some of it. Otherwise I fear he has made the mistake of factoring in labour in his evaluation...
Perhaps the dog is included in the sale, that would explain some of it. Otherwise I fear he has made the mistake of factoring in labour in his evaluation...
The Peril
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
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Re: Highest price per volume?
I think he's more that a bit optimistic about the boat's value.
Best wishes
SB
SB
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Shoestring won the concourse at Bosham. I will have to phone the insurers and increase her value by about 4 times
Hornet 191 Shoestring,
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
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Re: Highest price per volume?
This looksso like a duckling, but clearly an upgraded version. A bit like a lotus cortina I suppose.
There was I thing a precursor to the Duckling. An "Elf"or something like that, but again, lacking the powerful turn of the bilge this boat has.
I would link this to Nessa's Photobucket archive, from a previous thread on Aggamemnon and Soutters (Cowes) but I believe photobucket now has "Doubleclick" on it and causes problems. (Well my photobucket account seems to have it. Perhaps that is why I've been getting alot of cold calls lateley.)
As for cost. I reckon it has had at least £4K spent on it, but I suspect he wont retrieve the investment!
There was I thing a precursor to the Duckling. An "Elf"or something like that, but again, lacking the powerful turn of the bilge this boat has.
I would link this to Nessa's Photobucket archive, from a previous thread on Aggamemnon and Soutters (Cowes) but I believe photobucket now has "Doubleclick" on it and causes problems. (Well my photobucket account seems to have it. Perhaps that is why I've been getting alot of cold calls lateley.)
As for cost. I reckon it has had at least £4K spent on it, but I suspect he wont retrieve the investment!
Michael Brigg
Re: Highest price per volume?
It does look like a mini aggie, especially the foredeck area.
http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll11 ... Agamemnon/
http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll11 ... Agamemnon/
The Peril
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
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Re: Highest price per volume?
11 items for sale and all overpriced, not a single bid on any of them!
Steve
Steve
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ebay is good for getting a market value. This guy has an idea (his idea) of what his items are worth and is there to be proved wrong. As you say - no bids
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Pretty little thing, I have always had a soft spot for Souter’s boats having once long ago visited their yard at Cowes. Given the size and shape I imagine she was built as a sailing tender for a yacht in the days before inflatables. There is quite an interesting article on Souters in
http://www.powerboatarchive.co.uk/Magaz ... er.pdf[url][/url]
Much of the article is, unsurprisingly, about power boats (albeit fairly serious ones) but the relevant bit on their dinghies is:
“Wilf Souter began putting his theories on cold moulding into practice in 1950 with a new range of dinghies called Puffins and Penguins, immediately taking an aggressive approach by trying to better the hot-moulding techniques of their competitors, Fairey Marine.The dinghies were an immediate success ….. In the five years between 1955 and 1960 1100 of the dinghies were built, and in one of the Island Sailing Club's Round-the-lsland Races, 150 of the 200 entries carried Souter-built dinghies. The cold-moulding system also suited the International 14 dinghies, and from the small yard in Arctic Road eventually came beautiful, varnished l4s, the company's pride and joy made with the same care as a grand piano, and similarly finished. Their first order was for five 14s from a group organised by John Prentice.”
Maybe this little girl was a Puffin or a Penguin. Can anyone confirm? As for price - quality sells but not apparently in this case.
Incidentally Nessa (and I don’t know how to put this gently) according to the Tom Vaughan 14 History Agamemnon was not in fact one of the Souter’s boats referred to above. John Prentice’s first boat Ariadne (he seems to have a thing about the ancient Greeks) was built by Souters in 1959 but Agamemnon built for him in 1965 was apparently by W Richardson to a Proctor 8 design. I haven’t come across W Richardson myself but I am sure someone on the forum has. Suffice it to say that John Prentice as chairman of the class association clearly knew what he was about and Aggie indeed had a good racing history.
http://www.powerboatarchive.co.uk/Magaz ... er.pdf[url][/url]
Much of the article is, unsurprisingly, about power boats (albeit fairly serious ones) but the relevant bit on their dinghies is:
“Wilf Souter began putting his theories on cold moulding into practice in 1950 with a new range of dinghies called Puffins and Penguins, immediately taking an aggressive approach by trying to better the hot-moulding techniques of their competitors, Fairey Marine.The dinghies were an immediate success ….. In the five years between 1955 and 1960 1100 of the dinghies were built, and in one of the Island Sailing Club's Round-the-lsland Races, 150 of the 200 entries carried Souter-built dinghies. The cold-moulding system also suited the International 14 dinghies, and from the small yard in Arctic Road eventually came beautiful, varnished l4s, the company's pride and joy made with the same care as a grand piano, and similarly finished. Their first order was for five 14s from a group organised by John Prentice.”
Maybe this little girl was a Puffin or a Penguin. Can anyone confirm? As for price - quality sells but not apparently in this case.
Incidentally Nessa (and I don’t know how to put this gently) according to the Tom Vaughan 14 History Agamemnon was not in fact one of the Souter’s boats referred to above. John Prentice’s first boat Ariadne (he seems to have a thing about the ancient Greeks) was built by Souters in 1959 but Agamemnon built for him in 1965 was apparently by W Richardson to a Proctor 8 design. I haven’t come across W Richardson myself but I am sure someone on the forum has. Suffice it to say that John Prentice as chairman of the class association clearly knew what he was about and Aggie indeed had a good racing history.
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Re: Highest price per volume?
It is odd, is it not. A brand new dinghy like this would indeed cost that much, and sell. So why will not a better boat not sell just because it is not new? Odd world with inverted values.
However, it does mean we can afford to do what we do....
j./
However, it does mean we can afford to do what we do....
j./
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Brand new boats built like that one stopped selling a long time ago... Got to be careful not to compare apples with oranges.jpa_wfsc wrote:It is odd, is it not. A brand new dinghy like this would indeed cost that much, and sell.
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Now re listed at the same price. Good luck to him. Might be better once the sun comes out.
Hornet 191 Shoestring,
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
Hornet 595 Demon awaiting restoration
Hornet 610 Final Fling
Hornet 353
Re: Highest price per volume?
[quote="rme_01"]
Incidentally Nessa (and I don’t know how to put this gently) according to the Tom Vaughan 14 History Agamemnon was not in fact one of the Souter’s boats referred to above. John Prentice’s first boat Ariadne (he seems to have a thing about the ancient Greeks) was built by Souters in 1959 but Agamemnon built for him in 1965 was apparently by W Richardson to a Proctor 8 design. I haven’t come across W Richardson myself but I am sure someone on the forum has. Suffice it to say that John Prentice as chairman of the class association clearly knew what he was about and Aggie indeed had a good racing history.[/quote
You are right of course. When I bought the boat someone told me it was Souters and that stuck in my brain. But in fact I had a message in July last year from Tom Vaughan himself via the class forum telling me he/she is a Richardson boat. I just can't get thew information to stick inh my addled brain. To be honest, the builder is not hugely important to me; he/she is an object of beauty, which is what matters most!
I will try to get pics this week of how he/she looks now, then I will be seeking advice about fitting out!
Incidentally Nessa (and I don’t know how to put this gently) according to the Tom Vaughan 14 History Agamemnon was not in fact one of the Souter’s boats referred to above. John Prentice’s first boat Ariadne (he seems to have a thing about the ancient Greeks) was built by Souters in 1959 but Agamemnon built for him in 1965 was apparently by W Richardson to a Proctor 8 design. I haven’t come across W Richardson myself but I am sure someone on the forum has. Suffice it to say that John Prentice as chairman of the class association clearly knew what he was about and Aggie indeed had a good racing history.[/quote
You are right of course. When I bought the boat someone told me it was Souters and that stuck in my brain. But in fact I had a message in July last year from Tom Vaughan himself via the class forum telling me he/she is a Richardson boat. I just can't get thew information to stick inh my addled brain. To be honest, the builder is not hugely important to me; he/she is an object of beauty, which is what matters most!
I will try to get pics this week of how he/she looks now, then I will be seeking advice about fitting out!
The Peril
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
Agamemnon
Lovely little Cadet
OK 1954
Xena Warrior Princess
Finn 469
Laser 2
Wayfarer World
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"he/she is an object of beauty" - of that I have no doubt; there is something about undecked boats. I look forward to seeing the pictures. As regard fitting out I am in much the same position with my Fairey 14 Maelstrom. After a lot of work I now have a beautiful hull but not much else! Thankfully she belongs to a time (1957) when there were precious few control lines. I suspect Aggie being a bit later and owned by a serious competitor was much more complicated!