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Trevor C
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Post by Trevor C » Tue May 29, 2007 9:55 am

If anyone has a mast that fits a Jolly Boat (Flying 15) please let me know.

My club held its first boat age handicap race yesterday and fresh from winning the novice racing the previous day felt we had a chance. However, the jib halyard/wire came out of the mast slot just below the sail head about 2/3rds of the way up which took a very frustrating hour to free up. I know an overhaul is an option but it is old and heavy and newer lighter version would be good.
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Post by Brookesy » Tue May 29, 2007 10:49 am

Hi,
Ed can probably confirm, but I think the FD uses the same mast, or as near as you would not notice, to the Jollyboat. If that is the case go to the FD website and give Tony Lyall a call, his number is listed, and he should be able to point you in the right direction. There are some old Needlespars around which should be available quite cheaply.
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Post by Ed » Tue May 29, 2007 3:41 pm

I think FD mast is 'legal' by 'new' rules brought out in 1971 just before class collapsed, would have to check for exact measurements

But it would be a bit too long by original rules.

I am not sure exactly if the hounds are in the right place. I rather suspect they are not quite right.....but certainly worth trying. You can always cut down a bit if necessary.

I have a needlespar in my boat. Its fine....but damn heavy and a little bendy. Original Jollyboat masts were Proctor F s and very stiff indeed.

Reckon a FD mast may well work well.

I know that FF masts work well as the hounds all end up in pretty much the right place. The added depth of the hull (over the Jollyboat) brings up the boom height by a pleasant 6 ins or so. You might need to play a bit with the FD as the boom height is so much higher originally.

But I would go for it.

cheers

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Post by Trevor C » Tue May 29, 2007 3:53 pm

Thank you, I have a lead on one so will follow up.

The mast has been sold so the search goes on.
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Post by jpa_wfsc » Tue May 29, 2007 6:06 pm

I have two incomplete firball masts and know of a mast that was last used on a pegasus - let me know if you would like measurements to be taken.
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Post by Ed » Tue May 29, 2007 8:33 pm

Firball and Peggie too small.

Never found an I14 mast long enough either....

Ospreys are too short....as I think are 505s.

Remember the Jollyboat has a full 21ft Luff.

FFs work due to having big depth below deck. FDs may well also as they certainly have 21ft or longer luff.

will check all this later, but no time now

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Post by Trevor C » Wed May 30, 2007 12:46 pm

Just heard from allspars that a new FF mast is £766 plus delivery or a FD mast (Only Carbon) is £1892. Secondhand it is then!
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Post by Ed » Wed May 30, 2007 2:56 pm

Well if you are buying new.......you might as well ask for a Jollyboat mast.

Selden could certainly give you a quote, maybe even to the old Proctor F standard. They made up a mast for J332 not that long ago - I even have the quote some where.

But it will certainly be expensive.....I would go for a second hand mast myself!!!

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Post by Trevor C » Wed May 30, 2007 4:17 pm

I will be looking hard for a second hand mast.
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Post by jpa_wfsc » Wed May 30, 2007 8:25 pm

Just a thought - could make long mast by sleeving two shorter ones together? This is after all how 29er and 49er masts are made now (top in carbon bottom in ally). The joint would want to be above the hounds.. Has anyone attempted this?
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Post by Ed » Thu May 31, 2007 8:37 am

Very original of course......Fairey used wooden top aly masts in Firefly, Swordfish and others before they worked out how to taper the ali masts. Never seen a Jollyboat with one of those masts though. J3 had a beautiful (still has - just don't use it) spruce mast with a wall thickness around 1/4in in some places. It's lighter than my needlespar, although admit this does not say much!

No, I reckon putting a two-part mast together would be too much damn effort. I would stick to finding a 2nd hand mast.

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Post by Rupert » Thu May 31, 2007 12:50 pm

Or find a FF or Dutchman with 2 masts, and then sell on again with 1. Or keep it, too...
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Post by Nigel » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:50 pm

I have a couple of very long needlespars on the garage roof that came off something south african apparently (spearhead?). They are in Bristol so let me know if you want measurements or to have a look (from memory they are 7ish metres). We can probably do a little better than £766 :).

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Post by chris » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:44 pm

John has passed onto me (to house for safe keeping) the wooden jolly boat mast which I gather was ex Ed's (via Baltic warf) but it sounds as if you want something a little more modern.

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Post by Trevor C » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:40 pm

Well, want I would like is something functional and if original too that would be even better. Could you PM me with where and how much? Many thanks

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