Pegasus Spinnaker
Pegasus Spinnaker
I need a hole free kite for 198. I think the old one had been left in the boat and mice have nested making quite a few holes. Thankfully the main and genoa are intact.
So, if anybody has a spare or can suggest what might fit from another class that would be great? GP14 would seem a bit small and flying fifteen a bit big.
Thanks
So, if anybody has a spare or can suggest what might fit from another class that would be great? GP14 would seem a bit small and flying fifteen a bit big.
Thanks
Harrier 25
505 7163
505 7163
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
I don't know how the sizes compare but the merlin website because a change of rules meant there were quite a few old size spinnies going.
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Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Firball kite..
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Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
According to Burrett, it is 180 Sq ft (16.72 sq m). That seems really big for the size of boat.
This one seems to be about that size:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spinnaker-sma ... 3f16eaa592
This one seems to be about that size:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spinnaker-sma ... 3f16eaa592
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Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
That sail implies about a 2.5 to 3 meter pole... much to big.Nigel wrote:According to Burrett, it is 180 Sq ft (16.72 sq m). That seems really big for the size of boat.
This one seems to be about that size:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spinnaker-sma ... 3f16eaa592
The pole on 198 is not all that long: I am sure the kite and pole you have was a fireball kite, the one Uffa used on the Peggie was about the same luff and foot, but had a deep foot section below the straight line between the clews. This would give a lot more area than a modern cut spinnaker, but would greatly restrict visibility! Also, probably not as effective when reaching - and perhaps when the Peggie was designed, dinghy / trapeze / spinnaker combination was fairly new as an idea..? I suspect the early spin was intended for deep downwind sailing. The main and genoa give plenty of power reaching anyhow.
j./
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Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
The original spinnaker was huge - it was based on the I14 ones of the time, I think. I suspect a Fireball kite will get far more use.
Rupert
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Thanks for the comments and thoughts. I think the Sonata spinnaker looked a bit big and the Fireball a bit small but I will see if I can get hold of a cheap one without holes and give it a try.
I have found an old spinnaker which was the spare for the last Pegasus I owned and it is pretty big but not when compared to a Jollyboat kite.
Thanks again
I have found an old spinnaker which was the spare for the last Pegasus I owned and it is pretty big but not when compared to a Jollyboat kite.
Thanks again
Harrier 25
505 7163
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Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Think you'll find that an Osprey Spin will be about the right size.
17.19 sq m
17.19 sq m
Osprey 1137
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
The right size for what? Bricking oneself?!pierre wrote:Think you'll find that an Osprey Spin will be about the right size.
17.19 sq m
Rupert
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Oh come now Rupert.Rupert wrote:The right size for what? Bricking oneself?!pierre wrote:Think you'll find that an Osprey Spin will be about the right size.
17.19 sq m
Just bear away and scream and swear a lot.
Works for me anyway.
The only time I have been caught out was sailing DDW,
and whilst cockily standing up whilst driving, was caught by a gust
which accelerated the boat so hard that I went over the back.
My youngest son (then 12) thought it hilarious.
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Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Pierre, as the nats is local to you this year you can come and repeat the performance and be in contention for the much coveted wingnut award.
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Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Having sailed a Sonata and Peggie, I will say that the sonata kite would be way to big!!, it is ****** big on the sonata in a good breeze. But it would be fun to see it tested, maybe mast head rigged?
Cheers
Mark
Cheers
Mark
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
David and I used a fireball spinnaker on 198 as the original was too big, too heavy and only worked dead downwind ( also scared the bee********'s out of us!!!!!!.
Shame as it was a nice shade of pink that spinnaker.
Keith
Shame as it was a nice shade of pink that spinnaker.
Keith
Two Peggies 199,100,
Flying fifteen 1855,
Flying fifteen 204 (now in the barn)
Sunbird
Flying fifteen 1855,
Flying fifteen 204 (now in the barn)
Sunbird
Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Big kites are typical of Uffa Fox designs of the period. You should look at the full-size of a Jollyboat kite!
But, they were only ever used straight downwind....and in not too much of a blow too. They were as deep and long as they were wide....and not even set on that long a pole. They completely blanket your whole view.
If you want to use a kite to reach with......you simply can't use something that big....or more importantly that shape!
So the sensible option is to get a smaller flatter kite if you want to use it more generally off the wind.
Mind you....
I have recently been thinking on the Jollyboat, whether an old shape kite would be fun. In reality, the Jollyboat is rather thin and the sheet loadings flying the kite on a reach in a little wind, even with just a smaller FF kite are immense. On the other hand, there is enough sail area to make the boat quite fast enough on a reach anyway, especially if there are a few waves around. But on a dead run.....with all that weight and surface area, it is hard to make it really go.
So what about using a bigger and fuller kite, but restricting its use to only dead downhill?
still thinking on this....and trying to find a crew brave enough to use it anyway.
cheers
eib
But, they were only ever used straight downwind....and in not too much of a blow too. They were as deep and long as they were wide....and not even set on that long a pole. They completely blanket your whole view.
If you want to use a kite to reach with......you simply can't use something that big....or more importantly that shape!
So the sensible option is to get a smaller flatter kite if you want to use it more generally off the wind.
Mind you....
I have recently been thinking on the Jollyboat, whether an old shape kite would be fun. In reality, the Jollyboat is rather thin and the sheet loadings flying the kite on a reach in a little wind, even with just a smaller FF kite are immense. On the other hand, there is enough sail area to make the boat quite fast enough on a reach anyway, especially if there are a few waves around. But on a dead run.....with all that weight and surface area, it is hard to make it really go.
So what about using a bigger and fuller kite, but restricting its use to only dead downhill?
still thinking on this....and trying to find a crew brave enough to use it anyway.
cheers
eib
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Re: Pegasus Spinnaker
Dead downwind, you can only go as fast as the wind.... no matter how big your kite is. I bet a Fireball kite being flat and small enough to allow you to reach with it, will still be plenty big enough to sail dead downwind.
Anyhow - who would want to sail a Peggie dead downwind! Rolly Poly - quite hard work. Luff up a little and blast!!
Anyhow - who would want to sail a Peggie dead downwind! Rolly Poly - quite hard work. Luff up a little and blast!!
j./
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.
National 12 "Spider" 2523
Finn K468 'Captain Scarlet'
British Moth, 630, early 60's 'Pisces'
!!!! Not CVRDA !!!!
Comet Trio - something always ready to sail.