Flying Fish????

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Flying Fish????

Post by Michael4 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:04 pm

Is anyone familiar with the Flying Fish? Or is it something else? Looks like my kind of boat and there is a space in the garage....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FLYING-FISH-B ... 1438.l2649
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by jpa_wfsc » Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:52 pm

Other than that would be the name, not the type.
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Michael4 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:20 pm

Ah yes, I missed the obvious...ought to look harder! The vertical stem is sort of old N12 but the rig...?
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by STEVEB » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:15 am

Hi,
Looks good whatever it is and I am in Norfolk next weekend.
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Michael4 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:31 pm

On further inspection...see the front deck. It looks like it has been chopped to accommodate the 'cat' rig 9if that is what it is.

More and more it looks like an old N12. Since it has taken me a while to sell one I don't think I really want another just yet...going off the idea!
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Ed » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:01 pm

Thought for a moment it might be an International 12.....but think the bow is wrong....oh and of course the int12 is a standing lug....which this obviously isn't....

so...

ur....well it doesn't seem likely to be that!

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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by sam mason » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:10 am

That looks very like a Twinkle 12 that has been modified.

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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Rupert » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:50 am

Seem to remember the Flying Fish was a sailing surfboard.

Don't know what the boat named Flying Fish is, but looks quite nice, though the rig does look bodged.
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Aquarius » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:36 pm

The Herreshoff Dinghy has a similar rig.

But I don't think she is one...

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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Michael4 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:10 am

sam mason wrote:That looks very like a Twinkle 12 that has been modified.
The shape of the bow is very plumb and 'Uffaesque'. Twinkle (lovely boat) is much more rounded. Add that to the curious things going on on the foredeck and I stick with N12 modified to owner's taste.

Always wondered about 'cat' rigged boats but never had a go in one. That Herreshoff with its unstayed mast is one but the Ebay boat is stayed after a fashion...

Whatever, it will not be my next project
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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Stephen Hawkins » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:56 pm

I was rather taken with the International 12 after recently seeing pictures of one, and coming to the realisation that if my sailing is going to continue I would probably need a single hander that can take a passenger, as opposed to a crew.

But they seem to be thin on the ground and expensive. I.e. you need to buy a recent one, or have one built for you. The class rules seem to be somewhat draconian and rigidly enforced, as well.

I recently sailed against a Dutch one at South Cerney Sailing Club, and it was surprising quick it was, especially off wind. I was mistakenly expecting to sail circles around it in my N12, when in actually fact, it was all I could do to eventually real it in and keep pace with it.

Curiously simple rig.

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Re: Flying Fish????

Post by Escadron » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:31 pm

I think that it is just possible that this is a very early National 12.

My copy of Sail and Power, by Uffa Fox, published in 1936 has a chapter on the then new National 12 restricted class.

Yachting World published outline plans for the Uffa King design in their March 6 1936 edition, and sold full-size plans for 12s and 6d! Very soon boats were being built to the design all over the country.

What is interesting is that the plans in the chapter of Sail and Power include a conventional sail plan, with an outline for a single-sail rig drawn in as a dotted line. The dimensions for the single-sail rig shown would produce a a boat very similar to the one for sale on Ebay.

In support of this possibility is the apparent forward location of the centreboard in the Ebay boat, which would presumably be necessary to balance the rig, and the fact that the boat appears to have a rotating drum centreboard winch, which would be an unusual fitting for a knockabout boat of this era.

I may, of course, be talking out of the top of my head, in which case I apologise for wasting everyone's time!

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