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first tell us
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Your
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Answers - as best I know them |
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Email
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ed@cvrda.org
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Are you a cvrda member:
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Yes - although how we define this is still beyond me!
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All in all, how much do you think you know about classic and vintage dinghies: |
Well we will see next year when Rupert has a go at putting together some questions |
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the questions
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general stuff |
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What association looked after dinghy racing before the RYA was formed?
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Yacht Racing Association - YRA
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What class developed and first used the gate start?
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Firefly - Introduced for the 1955 Firefly Nats in Torquay by Bee McKinnon - a master at Eton |
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Who first used the trapeze and in what class?
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Thames Raters: Beecher More supported a crew member on a rope which he called the 'bell rope'. Peter Scott crewed for a while and the next year (1937) he adapted the idea for his crew (John Winter) in the 14s
and won the POW in Falmouth |
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In 1954,off Cowes in a force 5 wind, Charles Currey sailed a Jollyboat faster than any single hull dinghy had ever gone: What was the novel way in which the speed was recorded? and an extra point for giving the correct speed in knots?
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Radar at a speed of 13.4 knots
- Sailed by Charles Currey in big old waves in the Solent.The jollyboat sailors thought she was faster than that and a little later, Ralph Vines did an average of 17.8knots over 3 runs on Edgbaston Resevoir |
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Give 3 boat classes raced at the 1948 Olympics?
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Firefly, Int Star, Dragon, Swallow, 6-metre |
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What was the name of the Duke of Edinburgh's Dragon? |
Blue Bottle
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What was interesting about the Tango dinghy designed by Peter Milne in 1973: |
Aluminium Hull
- aparently this was because the boats were destined for African lakes where there was a problem with little worms eating the GRP or Wood....personally I would of thought this was the least of their problems |
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the development classes |
International 14 |
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What year was the 'International 14' class founded? |
1928
The class pretty much started in 1927 with the first POW, but was not ratified as an international class by the IYRU until the next year - 1928 |
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Which designer's boats were first home in half the POWs between the war and 1963? |
Austin Farrar
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Who has helmed the most POW winners? |
Stewart Morris
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The 14s often provide prizes for different ages of boat named....'vintage', 'classic' and....? |
Penultimate - I always wonder what they will call the 'Pennys' after the next rule change makes them no-longer penultimate |
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In 1948 Whyche and Coppock made a clinker 14 (Robbin Hood - K531) which met with some limited success, with reduced rig, what class did this boat become better known?: |
Rocket - Its funny, you see relatively lots of old Merlins, but I have only ever seen one Rocket for sale....never even seen one, in photos they look fun |
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the development classes |
National 12 |
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What year was the National 12 founded? |
1936
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Who designed N12 K1 - Gipsy? |
Uffa Fox
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What is the name of the premier N12 event of the year? |
The Sir William Burton Cup |
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What was the name or design of the first N12 to use glued ply construction rather than clenched pin? |
I was really looking for Witchcraft, which was the first of the glued proctor boats, but I have had it pointed out that in fact Fillet made in 1947 was the first real 'ribless' boat. Sorry to all those who gave the first non-clinker boat. Bad question writing. I took either answer |
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For the first few years, the first National 12 rules had a price limit....what was it originally? |
£45 to keep all up price including sails under £50. This quickly rose in the first few years until they had to drop it |
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the development classes |
Merlin Rocket |
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What year was the National Merlin-Rocket class founded? |
1951 - Merlins were first designed by Holt in 1946. The Rocket by Whyche and Coppock in 1947. The Merlins asked to be a 'national' class for quite a while before the YRA begrudgingly said they could if they ammalgamated their class with the Rocket, which they did in 1951 |
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Who was the the most sucsessful Merlin Rocket designer from the class's formation until 1965? |
Ian Proctor Of course Jack Holt had it all sorted before the Merlins amalgamated with the Rockets, but after 1951, it must be Ian Proctor |
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What is the name of the Merlin Rocket Travellers Series? |
Silver Tiller
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Who club is considered the 'home' club for the class? |
Ranelagh Sailing Club was where the original group of people who first commisioned Jack Holt to design the Merlin or Yachting World 14ft Class as it was originally called |
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NSM stands for? |
New Smokers Material - a reworking of the 'Smokers Satisfaction' design. The 'Smokers' series were one of the most sucsessful designs from the pen of Ian Morrisson |
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one designs |
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What one-design class claims to be the oldest with a history going back to 1886?
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Water Wags - These boats are raced mainly in Dublin but also in Kent and in the Far East. They asked the CVRDA to their worlds one year....which sounded fun...Guinness served 'on the water' between races |
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What one-design was designed in 1910 and was still an olympic class in 2004? |
International Star
....though personally I do find it hard to see why |
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British builders of the Dragon do not pay any Designers Royalties; Why? |
Thanks for the efforts of the British Mariners in coming to the help of the Norwegians in the 2nd World War |
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What National one-design class now has the smallest fleet? |
National Swordfish - This might be arguable - I think they only had under 300 boats, which makes them less than the N18. but someone did mention the Swallow....and I have not checked that yet. It is also debateable on the basis that I am not sure whether they are still a 'national' class after the RYA wanted to charge them a fortune for remaining nominally a 'national' class. Anybody know what happened? |
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What classic one-design class designed in 1947 is one of the largest fleets in the world with an estimated 250,000 boats built?
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Optomist
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dinghy designers |
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Austin Farrar was better know to his mates as?
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Clarence
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Wyche and Coppock's First names? |
Dick and Digby - Rupert wondered if anyone had written anything about these two central people to classic dinghy history - I don't think so. However I did get a long e-mail from Dick's son who now lives in USA. It was fascinating. He told how his father was a complete workaholic and how one xmas day he did not leave his studio all day as he was designing the XXXXX.
The sadest thing of all was that this was back in the days when I trusted MSOE and I got nabbed by a Virus and lost the email....so I never even answered it. |
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The Tideway was designed and built by? |
Lew H Walker
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Jack Holt chose a business partner, who was a well known sucsessful sailor of the time? |
Beacher Moore although I realise Tony Allen could be another contender for this, but I am sticking with Beacher Moore as he was a much better known sailor |
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silly Uffa Fox stuff |
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What nationality was Uffa Fox's wife? |
French - OK....well he had three....and I kinda buggered this question up, but I am now reliably informed that he had 3 , Yvonne Bernard, Cherry and Alma. Cherry and Alma were brits, but Yvonne was French, which was my intended answer. |
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What boat design did Uffa say he was proudest of having designed? |
The Airborne Lifeboat |
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Why did Uffa Fox say he kept his workshop on an old chain-ferry over the Medina River? |
To avoid Rent and Rates on either side
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What class association did Uffa fall out with about their liberal interpretation of the design due to building? |
Flying Fifteen - Many people have put down the Redwing....and it is quite possible that he also argued with them....but I do know that he argueed with the FF assoc.....and that it almost ended up in court |
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What other land-based sport did Uffa take regular part in: |
Hunting and 3-day eventing - that's riding....you know horse-riding. Although he was also into cricket, car racing and a host of other sports |
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boat recognition |
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14ft clenched-pin clinker boat, open decked, nicely made and all varnish. Gunter rig with a 'B' on the sails. |
Norfolk One Design |
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This one looks just like an Osprey....but it isn't, it's a foot too long and it's got a big lump of lead on a fin keel. It's got to be associated though....as the sail emblem is almost identical, just using a 'P' instead of an 'O'. |
Peregrine - Easy when you know the answer.....doubt that many of these were every made....maybe only one...a real lost class. Sounds from the description like a bit of a handful |
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This one is all beautiful moulded ply construction, it has an almost circular bow and thwarts also made from moulded ply. I measured it and it's 10ft long and 5ft wide. |
Merron Dinghy - No not any Fairey boat. very similar to a Duckling but a foot too long. Merrons claimed to be the first 'hot-moulded' dinghy made after WW2. I am not sure about this....but maybe they pipped fairey too the post. |
| Another small clinker boat. This one is 12ft long with a standing lugsail set right up in the bow. Looks like it was raced quite hard as there are hiking straps for a crew of two. The beam is 4ft 7in and the sail is about 95-100 sqft but does not appear to have any class insignia. I think the owner said it was designed in England, but not too sure as he was talking Dutch.
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International 12 - Designed by George Cockshott (British). These boats never caught on in the UK, but there are big fleets all overy europe, especially the Netherlands. I rather like the look of them. They are only a Lugsail but with 100ft of cloth, they look racying little boats none-the-less. |
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They say that designers just keep designing the same boat....and if this is the case this boat was designed by Holt; it's 15ft with a beam of 5ft 3in. It looks pretty racy....there is a trapeze and kite and some sails, although these seem to have an 'E' on them, which I thought was for the Enterprise: |
Lazy E - Never seen one, but they look like fun.
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boat recognition |
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Unit designed by David Thomas....I think for the 1965 Single hander trials
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Thistle - designed by Gordon 'Sandy' Douglas, it was basically a pulled out Uffa Fox 14 sailed 3 up with an Int 14 sailplan. I think they are georgeous. It is a very common class in the USA up to nearly 4000. |
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Tiger Moth - a two man Int Moth designed and built by Claridge. I gave the point to anyone who recognised the Moth or Claridge connection. Another very interesting boat that pre-dated the rush of skifs made by Topper, RS and Laser |
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Shooting Star - At least two of these boats were made, but I doubt that any still exist. I think the main problem was a weird wing-mast. If anyone knows that there is one still in existence.....I would love to know |
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Yachting World Scow - Get down and boogy....that looks like fun. A few were made and one even came up for sail a few years ago |
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which of these are real classes:
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Nipper
Oxey Bird
Penguin one design
Sea Snark
Vulcan
Tarpon
Flipper
Sprog
Wood Pussy
Insect
Coot
TV Dinghy
Nipper
Turtle
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All of them - Sorry, I don't want to upset anyone....especially as it sounds like a trick question, but these are all established classes....just some are more established than others. |
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was this fun :
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You tell me? Shall we do it again next year? For me it seemed like the bit I liked most was the class recognition bit....but you have no idea how hard it is trying to give a description which is in no way misleading. I hope Rupert has a go next year and I will leave the format up to him |
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anything else you want to say about this pathetic excuse for a quiz.....don't worry next year Rupert is doing it :
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I am a member
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in the Press
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